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The Kāmabhogīsutta on the Venerated Upali (vegan) Part 2 of 2

2025-12-11
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Today, we will conclude the Kāmabhogīsutta (AN 10.91), which explains how a layperson can live with pleasures while still practicing the Dhamma. Then we will hear the Upasampadāsutta (AN 10.34), which shows that true ordination depends on virtue, restraint, and wisdom, not on ceremony.”

Kāmabhogīsutta Pleasure Seekers

“[…] The pleasure seeker who seeks wealth using legitimate, non-coercive means, who makes themselves happy and pleased, and shares it and makes merit, and who uses that wealth untied, uninfatuated, unattached, seeing the drawbacks, and understanding the escape is the foremost, best, chief, highest, and finest of the ten.”

Upasampadāsutta Ordination

“Sir, how many qualities should a mendicant have to give ordination?” “Upāli, a mendicant, should have ten qualities to give ordination. What ten? It’s when a mendicant is ethical, restrained in the monastic code, conducting themselves well, and resorting to alms in suitable places. Seeing danger in the slightest fault, they keep the rules they’ve undertaken. They’re very learned, remembering and keeping what they’ve learned. These teachings are good in the beginning, good in the middle, and good in the end, meaningful and well-phrased, describing a spiritual practice that’s full and pure. They are very learned in such teachings, remembering them, rehearsing them, mentally scrutinizing them, and penetrating them theoretically. Both monastic codes have been passed down to them in detail, well analyzed, well mastered, and well evaluated in both the rules and accompanying material. They’re able to care for the sick or get someone else to do so. They’re able to settle dissatisfaction or get someone else to do so. They’re able to dispel remorse when it has come up. They’re able to rationally dissuade someone from misconceptions that come up. They’re able to encourage someone in the higher ethics, the higher mind, and the higher wisdom. A mendicant should possess these ten qualities to give ordination.”
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